Deliver LTNs sooner

2030 is quite far in the future. Please cover the city in LTNs as soon as possible.

Why the contribution is important

Schedule overruns are inevitable. Aim for a sooner delivery date, so that delays don't push this into the 2030s.

by responder on December 09, 2020 at 07:04PM

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  • Posted by MicaelaBathNES December 10, 2020 at 11:32

    For clarification, when you refer to LTN, I think you mean Low Traffic Neighbourhoods?
    This is being discussed at the Cabinet Meeting tomorrow at 6.30pm, broadcast live on the Council's You Tube channel.
    https://democracy.bathnes.g[…]s.aspx?CId=122&MId=5832

  • Posted by responder December 10, 2020 at 15:01

    Yes, this is what I mean, and I'm aware of the Liveable Neighbourhoods strategy.

    I am primarily commenting on 2030 being chosen as the year in this "Shared Vision story theme" which seems quite far in the future, which means that it may suffer from unexpected delays.

    For example, there's no point in waiting 10 years to complete all School Streets schemes. Schools aren't going to unexpectedly move elsewhere, and the School Streets have to be implemented as part of Liveable Neighbourhoods anyway - so BANES might as well implement them as early as possible for some quick gains.

    Similarly, the "strategic corridors" are more or less known, and installing segregated bike lanes on them should be prioritised.

    I'm not aware how this works legally/financially, but would it be possible to save some money/time by, for example, running a single consultation for all school streets, instead of consulting on each street separately?
  • Posted by Phillipa_Changrin December 13, 2020 at 23:11

    You know those who live and bring up their kids on main roads are the most at risk, but you want to add to their burden by displacing traffic onto them from your low traffic side roads.
  • Posted by responder December 14, 2020 at 18:56

    The main roads are getting the - unfortunately descoped - Clean Air Zone.

    I fully support extending the CAZ to private cars, as well as introducing a toll for all through traffic on the A36 and A4, road narrowing, parking restrictions, and any other measure which will reduce the capacity and appeal of using the main roads in Bath.
  • Posted by jackiehead December 15, 2020 at 14:25

    B&NES also need to make walking and cycling in rural areas safer by considering the introduction of times pedestrianisation of villages around the time of school runs, and the ability for parishes to get compulsory purchase on land to widen lanes to enable safer walking and cycling
  • Posted by jackiehead December 15, 2020 at 14:25

    B&NES also need to make walking and cycling in rural areas safer by considering the introduction of times pedestrianisation of villages around the time of school runs, and the ability for parishes to get compulsory purchase on land to widen lanes to enable safer walking and cycling
  • Posted by responder December 16, 2020 at 15:53

    Regarding jackiehead's proposal:

    Maybe start by finishing the partially complete routes:
    - asphalt the towpaths and widen them to the recommended width for a shared-use path (or fully segregated in places where there are lots of pedestrians or cyclists)
    - build the missing section of the Collier's Way between Wellow and Radstock, and provide a traffic-free route to Peasedown

    Following that, ensure that any new rural footways are wide enough to be used as shared-use paths (again, fully segregated if there is a large volume of pedestrian/cycle traffic).
  • Posted by jackiehead December 17, 2020 at 20:17

    good ideas here. In our village we have begun a safe walking to school survey asking parishioners to walk a journey to the village primary school from different starting points and comment on their experience against the same set of questions. A range of people have joined in (parents/grandparents with children, dog walkers, a horse rider, a runner, people who work from home etc..) All of the walking surveys have then been collected into a spread sheet and rated with a traffic light system to highlight relative danger. This has been used to identify 'pinchpoints' in the journeys that we have been beginning to seek solutions to. Our next step is to write this up into a report for our Parish Council and then reach out to key stakeholders to explore possible challenges and solutions. At the bottom of it all is a question 'how would this village operate differently if it prioritised the needs of pedestrians?'
  • Posted by DavidOrme January 08, 2021 at 09:09

    Presumably Lib Dems are not the sort of people who can, nor would, "cover the city in LTNs" without securing the full buy in of the BANES residents affected by the changes.

    In which case, I hope there are many subscribers to Private Eye involved in BANES' consideration of this fashionable issue.

    There seems to be an increasing number of column inches in PE being given over to exposing the problems, misdirection, misinformation and NIMBYism becoming uncomfortably apparent elsewhere flowing from the practicalities of this superficially attractive idea.

    Caveat Emptor; be careful what you wish for etc.
  • Posted by Benjamoss January 08, 2021 at 17:14

    B&NES also need to make walking and cycling in rural areas safer by considering the introduction of times pedestrianisation of villages around the time of school runs, and the ability for parishes to get compulsory purchase on land to widen lanes to enable safer walking and cycling
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